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Reader Case Examine: Two Nurses, One Child and One Cat on the Coast FIRE Path

Peter and his spouse, Kim, each work as registered nurses in a medium-sized metropolis within the Jap United States. They turned a household of three once they adopted their daughter, Rachel, in October 2020. Nicely, household of 4 together with their cat, Pringles. Peter and Kim each take pleasure in their careers as nurses, however are at some extent the place they should step again to part-time work so as to cut back burnout and fatigue and for the betterment of their psychological well being. The couple plans on pursuing Coast FIRE and would really like our assist analyzing their monetary projections to make sure they’ll be capable of each work part-time, care for his or her daughter, and revel in a sustainable work/life steadiness. 

Liz Frugalwoods popping in with a fast definition. In line with Enterprise Insider:

Reaching Coast FIRE [financial independence retire early] means you not have to save cash to succeed in retirement. The distinction between Coast FIRE and common FIRE is that with common FIRE, you not want earnings to retire. With Coast FIRE, you continue to want earnings to cowl bills, you simply don’t want to fret about saving cash for retirement.

And now again to our Case Examine…

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Reader Case Research intend to focus on a various vary of monetary conditions, ages, ethnicities, areas, targets, careers, incomes, household compositions and extra!

The Case Examine collection started in 2016 and, up to now, there’ve been 75 Case Research. I’ve featured people with annual incomes starting from $17k to $200k+ and internet worths starting from -$300k to $2.9M+.

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Reader Case Examine Pointers

I most likely don’t have to say the next since you people are the kindest, most well mannered commenters on the web, however please notice that Frugalwoods is a judgement-free zone the place we endeavor to assist each other, not condemn.

There’s no room for rudeness right here. The purpose is to create a supportive setting the place all of us acknowledge we’re human, we’re flawed, however we select to be right here collectively, workshopping our cash and our lives with constructive, proactive solutions and concepts.

A disclaimer that I’m not a skilled monetary skilled and I encourage individuals to not make critical monetary selections primarily based solely on what one individual on the web advises. 

I encourage everybody to do their very own analysis to find out the very best plan of action for his or her funds. I’m not a monetary advisor and I’m not your monetary advisor.

With that I’ll let Peter, at present’s Case Examine topic, take it from right here!

Peter’s Story

A park in Peter & Kim’s metropolis

Hello Frugalwoods :-)! I’m Peter, I’m 36 years previous, my spouse Kim is 35 and now we have one daughter and one cat. We stay in a medium-sized metropolis within the Jap United States the place we’re each Registered Nurses. Kim’s been a nurse since commencement, whereas nursing is a second profession for me. We received married in 2015 after I graduated from nursing faculty and our daughter, Rachel, is a 12 months and a half previous. We even have an alert, agreeable cat known as Pringles. 

Peter & Kim’s Careers as Nurses

I initially graduated with a bachelors in psychology in 2007, however as soon as I used to be in the true world, discovered that my diploma didn’t match with what I needed to do for work. I finally determined to return to highschool for nursing and ended up learning in the identical metropolis the place Kim was working. We met by mutual mates at our native church and began courting whereas I used to be attending lessons.

Although Kim had been a nurse for a few years, after we married she was gracious sufficient to “return to nights” to work the identical shift as my new nursing job. For a few years, we did the night time shift factor collectively: working and dwelling nocturnally. This double-income-night-shift-lifestyle helped us speed up paying off my scholar loans. That’s once I stumbled upon FIRE blogs. These blogs ultimately led me to the Frugalwoods, more than likely by the Mad Fientist’s weblog/podcast. 

Just a few years after being married, we each had been lucky sufficient to achieve some seniority on the hospital and transfer to working day-shifts in our respective models. After that, we determined to purchase a small three-bedroom, two-bathroom home. For a variety of years we tried unsuccessfully to have organic kids, together with infertility therapies. Finally, we determined to attempt for home toddler adoption by a Christian company.

Peter & Kim’s Monetary Upbringing

We each grew up in households that felt very loving, however had been actually tight financially, at the least in our childhood years. As each of us entered our teenage years, our households turned extra financially solvent. Between scholarships and household help, neither of us accrued extreme debt for our bachelor’s levels. In our younger grownup years, we each felt privileged to observe our goals and callings fairly than what was most financially prudent. We really feel blessed to be in our present monetary place and notice that given totally different household conditions, this may not be the case. 

Peter & Kim’s Monetary Philosophy

Pre-Covid journey to Arches Nationwide Park

We every regulate totally different monetary features. Usually, Kim runs the day-to-day funds. This implies caring for the ins and outs within the checkbook, paying the month-to-month payments that aren’t automated, and preserving observe of receipts. We do that by YNAB, which makes it pretty easy to see the place our funds sits. I take care of our long-term funds together with monitoring our net-worth, mortgage amortization/prepayments, and funding accounts.

We’ve a written monetary plan which I made, however was “ratified” by Kim. Thus far this association has labored fairly nicely, however actually it hasn’t actually been stress examined. Our funds was constructed on the “minimal hours” scheduled, which in our area hardly ever happens.

If we’re scheduled to work a 12 hour shift on the hospital, we’re often working at the least 12 ½ hours if not 13 hours per working day. With our hourly wage, this provides up over the course of the 12 months. Usually now we have further money every month, which Kim allots into numerous sinking funds (healthcare, dwelling/automobile upkeep, and subsequent bigger purchases).  If our money readily available will get too excessive, we begin dollar-cost-averaging the additional into our brokerage funding account or growing our prepayments on our mortgage. 

Peter & Kim’s Daughter, Rachel

This brings us to 2020 the place, in the course of the Covid-19 pandemic, we had been matched with a pair who had been in search of somebody to undertake their (but unborn) child woman. In October of 2020, we had been in a position to undertake Rachel from start. She’s now a 12 months and a half previous and retains us on our toes for all of our waking moments! Her adoption was legally finalized in July 2021, and we had been in a position to apply and obtain her social safety card late in fall of 2021. We’ve already been reimbursed for a few of our adoption bills by the adoption tax credit score, but it surely doesn’t negate the monetary burden of adoption by an extended shot. Now we’re ready for an additional refund from our 2020 tax return for the kid tax credit score (you want a social safety quantity) and count on to obtain the expanded baby tax credit score on our 2021 taxes. 

Peter & Kim’s Hobbies

Peter & Kim on a close-by hike

In our spare time, we’re principally outdoor. We prefer to go for walks round our neighborhood, path hikes (for so far as Rachel will enable), and sustain our vegetable backyard. Whereas we each prefer to hike, Kim enjoys working and I take pleasure in biking for particular person each day train.

Thankfully, we’ve been in a position to incorporate Rachel into each of these actions with a child jogger and bike trailer! Within the subsequent few years, we sit up for getting her into swim lessons and, when age-appropriate, an out of doors pre-school. She is most assuredly the middle of our lives and we’re grateful for the chance to guardian her. 

What feels most urgent proper now? What brings you to submit a Case Examine?

Since initially inquiring about submitting a Case Examine, our questions have modified considerably. Largely as a result of circumstances of our life and the way it has morphed and developed over the past 12 months and a half, some on account of Rachel changing into a part of our lives, some as a result of Covid-19 pandemic. With all of those adjustments we really feel we’re coming to a crossroads of types.

A bit extra about the previous few years will assist clarify:

  • Previous to adopting Rachel our monetary life was pretty flush. We lived as a DINK family (twin earnings, no children) and saved a considerable portion of our earnings into retirement. Our financial savings price grew from 15% once we had been first married to round 40% of our gross earnings previous to adoption. Not included in these percentages: saving for the downpayment on our dwelling, saving for infertility therapies, after which adoption bills.
  • By mid-2020, we had been maxing out our Roth IRAs, nearly maxing out our 403b’s, investing in our brokerage account, and making more and more massive funds to pay down our mortgage early. To this present day, our greatest short-term purpose is having our home paid off within the subsequent 3-7 years. Presently we’re paying about $500 further monthly in precept with a few $1,000 further principal funds within the months the place now we have a 3rd paycheck. 
  • If we proceed with this plan, our mortgage payoff date will likely be circa February 2028. We perceive prepaying on a mortgage isn’t essentially the “greatest” funding, however it’s a assured return. We see our prepayments sort of like including extra bonds to our portfolio. Since bonds aren’t producing very a lot return proper now, making funds on a mortgage appears like extra progress. 
  • Our need for having the mortgage paid off stems from: 1) Not desirous to be beholden to others (e.g. a financial institution) by debt.  2) If the US healthcare system collapses, we’ll undergo from a dramatic lower in earnings.  3) We wish to have the ability to volunteer in some unspecified time in the future in our grownup lives and “needing” much less earnings would assist facilitate that purpose. 

The Child Change

After adopting Rachel in October 2020, we shifted our work-life steadiness for childcare functions. Kim continued working full-time, and I went to working per-diem shifts round her schedule. This labored for some time, as Kim coated our healthcare insurance coverage and I used to be in a position to get sufficient shifts to keep up my competency as a nurse. All of the whereas, we continued to work towards our monetary targets. Whereas this did imply we noticed our bills rise and our earnings lower, we had been nonetheless in a position to save substantial parts of our earnings into retirement accounts and proceed making funds towards our mortgage. Usually this has been about 30 to 35% towards retirement and 10% towards prepaying the mortgage.

The Pandemic Change

In January 2022 we downshifted once more, this time as a result of Covid-19 pandemic. As nurses each engaged on high-acuity models, work has grow to be more and more difficult and burnout turned crushingly actual, particularly for Kim. That’s why, going ahead, Kim will likely be working part-time. Selecting to work fewer hours is useful to struggle fatigue/harm/work dissatisfaction, however means one other massive discount to our family earnings. 

Pre-Covid journey to Fenway Park

I’ll proceed to work per-diem round Kim’s schedule, however will probably have much more shift-flexibility than I had beforehand. Financially this implies now we have taken a pause on investing further to an after-tax brokerage account and considerably lowered my 403b contributions (I had been contributing 35% and can cut back this to twenty% or presumably 0%). 

Initially we had been submitting our case research to ask if the thought of “Coast FIRE” was a risk, however now we’re primarily doing a modified trial run out of necessity for Kim’s psychological well being. In true Coast FIRE vogue, we wouldn’t contribute something towards retirement accounts and would allow them to sit and develop till we attain conventional retirement age.

In the intervening time, we’re merely lowering our financial savings price. For our 2022 funds, if you happen to don’t embody the tax refunds, we’ll be spending greater than we earn most months. Nonetheless, twice a 12 months when now we have a 3rd paycheck, we find yourself with more money making a little bit of a buffer in our accounts for the slight overspend. In the intervening time we’re pleased with this situation since now we have loads of money. If it doesn’t appear to work financially we might save much less to our 403b’s or I might all the time return to working full-time with Kim working per-diem. Going again to working full-time feels the least probably on condition that we extremely worth our day without work collectively and life flexibility.

Long run we see ourselves volunteering in some capability. Whether or not that is inside the States or internationally, we don’t have sturdy convictions but. We’ve each hung out abroad by Christian Ministries (Peter as an grownup for 3 years as a volunteer and Kim as a toddler together with her dad and mom who had been missionaries). Ideally we wish to do volunteering work (esp. as it might contain frequent strikes) when Rachel is youthful, up till about age 11. We wouldn’t be transferring so much whereas Rachel is in center or highschool, as we hope to supply her some social stability by staying put.

What’s the very best a part of your present life-style/routine?

The perfect a part of our present life-style is the flexibility for each of us to guardian Rachel. Working as nurses supplies a dwelling wage and permits Kim to solely work two days every week (beginning in 2022) and nonetheless qualify for part-time advantages. This implies we share childcare tasks on days when the opposite works, but additionally spend a number of days every week collectively as a household. Our days off collectively enable Kim crucial “introvert time” and Peter the possibility to play technique board video games, both domestically (when Covid-19 isn’t a difficulty) or on-line. 

Having a number of days off per week collectively as a household permits us to get out and expertise the world round us. We stay inside an hour of a nationwide park and a number of different mountain ranges, which supplies ample alternatives to go mountaineering. We’re additionally a few hours’ drive from a number of main cities, so we will expertise some bigger scale city life as nicely! That being mentioned, our personal metropolis has a big college and smaller faculties within the neighboring cities, so it has a variety of sights and numerous eating places, which aren’t essentially current in all cities of our measurement. 

What’s the worst a part of your present life-style/routine?

Lakeside sundown with household

The worst a part of our present life-style is the stress from our jobs. Working in the course of the pandemic has been sporting on us and our colleagues. We each wish to proceed to take pleasure in caring for individuals of their time of want, and we hate what the US healthcare system has accomplished to hospital care. We’ve lowered our hours partly to take care of Rachel with out taking over vital childcare bills and partly in order that we don’t burn out utterly.

A further latest problem is navigating the “stealth wealth” steadiness. With us each working for a similar employer, when Kim introduced she was going part-time, many assumed I might be transitioning again to full-time. Kim is uncomfortable making an attempt to navigate these discussions together with her colleagues, lots of whom are simply as burned and disillusioned with the work. It brings up damaging feelings related to having wealth and being privileged sufficient to take a step again financially, just because we wish to. With neither of us working full-time, it’s a vital sacrifice to our employer advantages and wages, which might be not misplaced on our colleagues. 

One other Adoption?

Kim and I will not be but positive if we’ll pursue adopting a second baby. Adoption is a sophisticated nut to crack and will most likely be its personal case research of professionals and cons!

The adoption course of felt elongated for us because it tagged onto our expertise with infertility, which was already over two years. The method for getting authorized and on an inventory was about 6 months between preliminary software, dwelling research, and closing adoption listing approval. We then waited one other 2 years earlier than being chosen by our daughter’s start dad and mom. Ready time for us turned out to be lower than common. Most individuals adopting by our company (who had been profitable adopting, not together with individuals who voluntarily dropped off the listing) waited about 3-4 years. Our good friend circle consists of two {couples} who waited round 10 years. Each three years, you should “renew” your home-study, which is an extra monetary price we weren’t burdened with. If we solely needed to wait one other two years, we’d most likely be extra open to the thought of adopting a second baby, however the considered having a second baby in our late 40s is much less interesting.

Pre-Covid Mountaineering in Redwoods

Relating to the prices, we really feel fairly assured that if we develop sturdy convictions towards adopting once more, we’d be capable of determine it out. The adoption tax credit score lessens the monetary blow by about $15k, which might be 35%-40% of complete adoption prices (although that cash wouldn’t come again initially, usually 2-3 years after adoption). To “get on the listing” prices round half of the entire adoption bills. So we would wish round $15-17k in money. Nonetheless, our employer simply added a profit for full and part-time workers of $10k or $5k respectively towards adoption bills. This wouldn’t maintain us with our employer, but additionally will not be one thing we’d flip down if we went down the adoption path once more sooner or later. 

Financially we really feel we might abdomen the short-term hit to our funds to save lots of the money for adoption. It could contain a mixture of decreasing Roth IRA contributions, decreasing 403b contributions to six%, stopping pre-payments to our mortgage, and/or liquidating investments from our brokerage account. If we did all of these items, we’d have the money to instantly “get on the listing” and would be capable of save the remainder of the bills over 8-12 months after which resume our former financial savings/investments.

A second adoption would delay our potential “transferring so as to volunteer” plans if the adoption didn’t happen for some time as we wouldn’t be capable of transfer out of state whereas on an adoption listing. The potential ready sport is the massive unknown. All that to say, we’re contemplating it, however as of but are undecided.

The place Peter & Kim Need to be in Ten Years:

1) Funds: 

  • Paid-off home; in a position to work solely to cowl day-to-day bills. 
  • Lengthy-term we all know it isn’t the very best resolution to repay low-interest debt, particularly in an inflationary setting, however we worth the good thing about having a paid-off dwelling.
  • Would like to have sufficient in retirement accounts to “Coast FIRE” to age 59.5, primarily not needing to contribute to our retirement accounts anymore, however nonetheless be nice for retirement. Presently I’m utilizing 5% because the inflation-adjusted return for estimating our potential retirement financial savings sooner or later.
  • A few of our monetary assumptions embody:
    • For net-worth functions we think about our dwelling an asset, however not a part of our retirement financial savings. To be conservative, we’re nonetheless valuing it at buy worth till it’s really offered though the native housing market has gone up dramatically.
    • Social Safety can pay out at the least 70% of its anticipated return (round $24-36k per 12 months relying on how lengthy we work or once we begin amassing).
    • Our office pensions are “sprinkles on the cake.” We intend to take the payout when eligible at age 55 and roll that quantity into IRAs so we’ll preserve management and have entry to funds. Whereas our pensions are insured, we don’t belief that every one pensions throughout the US gained’t fail concurrently and due to this fact be lowered in worth.

2) Life-style: 

  • We choose to be at dwelling collectively at the least three days every week. Days off would come with time outdoors collectively as a household with presumably some type of crew recreation for Rachel, however who is aware of at this level. Path mountaineering at the least as soon as every week is fascinating. Visiting each units of grandparents at the least two occasions a 12 months would even be best. Principally, spending our days with parenting and childcare. In some ways we’re already there, in order that’s a plus!
  • We wish to give Rachel the chance to see a lot of the world in some unspecified time in the future in her life. A few of this touring would hopefully occur as she grows up so it turns into frequent to see different cultures and experiences.
  • We could wish to pursue a second adoption.

3) Profession:   

  • Each Kim and I want to be working or volunteering away from dwelling/parenting at the least two days every week for psychological stimulation, presumably in a unique nursing capability. Not sure if this could be with a brand new group or some volunteer nursing gig.

Peter & Kim’s Funds


Merchandise Quantity Notes
Peter estimated W2 earnings $2,400 Estimated month-to-month internet wage minus: 20% to 403b (no match obtainable), taxes, well being and dental insurance coverage, 401k contributions, and taxes.
Kim estimated W2 earnings $2,040 Estimated month-to-month internet wage minus: 10% to 403b (receives 3% match), taxes, household medical health insurance/dental price of $888/month from January 2022
Tax refund 2021 $277 Anticipated minimal quantity of $3,600 from 2021 tax refund as a result of we didn’t have Rachel’s SS quantity till the top of 2021, therefore couldn’t apply for any advance of the kid tax credit score, divided by 13 since we’re paid biweekly
Tax refund 2020 v2. $115 Modification to 2020 tax return as soon as Rachel’s SS card arrived, $,1500 due, hasn’t arrived but (can take as much as 16 weeks to be accomplished in a traditional 12 months), divided by 13 since we’re paid biweekly
Month-to-month subtotal: $4,832
Annual complete: $62,816 Month-to-month x 13 on account of being paid biweekly, with out refunds ~$57,708 or $4,440/month

Mortgage Particulars

Excellent mortgage steadiness Curiosity Price Mortgage Interval and Phrases Fairness Buy worth and 12 months
$92,237 4.25% 30-year fastened price, precept & curiosity is $812.68/month $114,263 $206,500, bought in April 2017


Merchandise Quantity Notes Curiosity/sort of securities held/Inventory ticker Identify of financial institution/brokerage Expense Ratio
Kim 403b $193,337 10% pretax contributions (~$430/month), extra 3% match from employer FXIAX, VTWIX, FXNAX Constancy 0.015, 0.08, 0.025
Peter 403b $160,143 20% pretax contributions (~$680/month), no match from April 2021 FXIAX, VTWIX, FXNAX Constancy 0.015, 0.08, 0.025
Kim Roth IRA $89,656 $500/month to max every calendar 12 months VTSAX Vanguard 0.04
Kim 529 $85,772 Don’t usually embody in internet price, at present held by Kim’s dad and mom. Initially for Kim, however now additionally could possibly be re-designated for Peter or Rachel’s use. Not sure Not sure Not sure
Peter Brokerage $54,373 Sinking funds & long run spending, stopped contributing in Jan 2022 VTSAX Vanguard 0.04
Financial savings account $23,500 Emergency fund / sinking funds 0.03% Credit score union N/A
Peter Roth IRA $15,681 $500/month to max every calendar 12 months VTSAX Vanguard 0.04
Kim 401a $15,664 Prior employer, no extra contributions FFFGX Constancy 0.51
Checking account $14,000 Month-to-month cashflow Earns primarily 0% Credit score union N/A
CD/various financial savings account $10,487 Money for subsequent automobile 2% on first 1k, 0.4% on the rest Totally different Credit score union Taxed at marginal earnings
Peter HSA $7,275 Prior profit, no extra contributions VTSAX HealthEquity 0.04
Donor suggested fund $4,000 Don’t usually embody in internet price Cash market Credit score Union N/A
Kim Pension $209/month @ age 55 to $349/month @ age 65 Present worth, will improve.  Lump sum of $54,480 @ 55, $77,279 @ 65 N/A Present employer N/A
Peter Pension $110/month @ age 55 to $217/month @ age 65 Frozen worth, won’t improve.  Lump sum of $29,500 @ 55, $41,000 @ 65 N/A Present employer N/A
Complete: $673,888


Automobile make, mannequin, 12 months Valued at Mileage Paid off?
Honda Civic 2008 $4,400 115,000 Sure, paid for money 11 yrs in the past
Honda Civic 2001 Priceless 203,000 Sure, paid for money 7 yrs in the past
Complete: $4,400


Merchandise Quantity Notes
Mortgage $813
Additional to mortgage $667 $500.56/month + $1k 2x/12 months with third paycheck months
Tithe $500 Roughly 10% of take-home pay, will improve or lower relying on after tax earnings
Groceries $480 Meals, alcohol, and system; could also be rather less going ahead since Rachel is now off system
Dwelling upkeep $354 Sinking fund purpose of 20k, at present has $5800
Property tax/insurance coverage $185 Via Erie
Trip $177 Sinking fund, at present has $7,000
Medical $175 Consists of all bills and co-payments, elevated in 2021 on account of Rachel having eye surgical procedure, sinking fund purpose of 7k absolutely funded
Babysitting $120 3hrs ~1x/week
Electrical $116 Range and warmth pump/AC are electrical
Subsequent automobile $100 Sinking fund purpose of 20k, at present has $12,000
Family $88 Consists of bathroom paper, diapers, cleansing provides, cat meals, litter
Eating places $84 Take out, admittedly greater on account of Covid-19
Gasoline $79
Water $55
Web $55 Lowest price for high-speed web obtainable from Comcast/another suppliers
Automotive upkeep $55 Sinking fund, at present has $1800
Auto insurance coverage $49 Via Erie
Life insurance coverage $45 25-yr time period for each Peter and Kim by Erie, will probably ditch as soon as home paid off
Clothes $44
Telephone $43 Verizon for Kim, Ting for Peter
Birthday/items $42
Christmas $35
Peter “enjoyable cash” $30 Sinking fund for Peter, common spend is definitely much less, however that is allotted for being spent
Kim “enjoyable cash” $30 Sinking fund for Kim, common spend is definitely much less, however is allotted for being spent
Malpractice insurance coverage $18 Along with computerized protection from our employer, mixed price for Peter and Kim, thought-about a should have
Auto property tax $17
Nursing license renewal(s) $12 Sinking fund for renewals each two years on even 12 months for Peter and odd 12 months for Kim
Subscriptions $11 Costco, Disney+
YNAB $7 YouNeedaBudget annual subscription
Subsequent laptop $0 Totally funded sinking fund purpose of 1k
Subsequent telephone $0 Totally funded sinking fund purpose of $500
Leisure $0 Usually taken from “enjoyable” cash funds, consists of gadgets like redbox, wine/beer tastings, date nights
Month-to-month subtotal: $4,486
Annual complete: $53,828

*Sinking funds for trip, dwelling, and subsequent automobile, and automobile upkeep could also be roughly relying on month-to-month spillover

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Peter & Kim’s Questions for You:

  1. Is Coast FIRE actually one thing we will do? In different phrases, not saving in direction of retirement beginning at age 40/45/50 and solely incomes sufficient to stay on for these years?
    • Our estimated retirement funds, together with taxes, is round $60k/12 months or $1.5 million in retirement accounts by age 59.5, not together with Social Safety.
    • Our anticipated bills with no mortgage are ~$72k/12 months, however that also consists of $6k every to Roth IRAs and costly medical health insurance (see beneath). If we don’t contribute to our Roth IRAs, bills are round $60k/12 months.
    • Are the Roth financial savings too good to surrender? Thus far I really feel the reply is sure. The tax diversification offers extra monetary flexibility. We plan on persevering with to max out our Roth IRAs so long as we will as a result of these contributions might all the time be withdrawn if wanted, though that’s lower than best.
  2. Pre-Covid Mountaineering in Arizona

    Are my assumptions too conservative or too aggressive? (e.g. anticipated actual return of 5% with low price index funds):

    • If I’m being too conservative, we’ve already reached “Coast FIRE” with a 6% actual return.
    • Present asset allocation is 88% shares/12% bonds in our 403b accounts and 100% shares in Roth IRA/taxable.
    • I’m planning on rebalancing to 70/30 inventory/bond allocation throughout our 40s with the purpose of reaching that allocation by age 50.
  3. What’s the very best technique for our mortgage?
    • Regardless of the very best rates of interest in historical past, we determined in opposition to refinancing. We hated the thought of paying cash for a refinance if we’d pay it off in a number of years or transfer and promote anyway. The break even level would have been round 4 years with our present mortgage servicer. We determined to deploy extra of our money towards the mortgage due to the assured return we get paying down debt vs investing in an uncertain market. 
    • Now the query turns into whether or not to deploy a part of our funding account (might use investments by early to mid 2024 with conservative return to repay the mortgage) or simply proceed our prepayment technique and be accomplished by early 2028. 
    • Eliminating our mortgage fee (required $813 plus further month-to-month principal $500 and $1,000 biannual funds) would lower our bills by nearly $18k/12 months, which might free us as much as both construct up our investments once more rapidly or work much less.
  4. What to do about medical health insurance?
    • Would each of us going per-diem after which getting insurance coverage by the ACA be a good suggestion? Or wouldn’t it be higher to pay by the nostril to maintain insurance coverage as a part-time worker (our household plan is at present $888 a month)? Making the most of the ACA subsidy (we’re not eligible until we’re each per-diem) might lower our month-to-month healthcare premiums by an estimated $300-400/month.
  5. Any ideas on how to consider some medium-term life targets?
    • Presently each units of our dad and mom are of their mid-60s and comparatively wholesome. We all know this won’t probably all the time be the case. Suggestions for methods to steadiness the unknown of fogeys’ well being and needing to maneuver nearer to them with doing what works greatest for our household?
    • It’s unlikely we’ll wish to transfer as soon as the baby is in center or highschool. So now we have a 12-13 12 months window till that occurs to presumably relocate nearer to oldsters or take volunteer gig(s). The uproot-and-volunteer choice would imply we might promote the home and financial institution the fairness right into a taxable/cash market account or lease it out till we return. We’re not in favor of being landlords, however promoting and storing our stuff does appear more and more daunting. Domestically there are a number of small healthcare organizations the place we’d get our ft moist volunteering, however they most likely wouldn’t present a housing and meals stipend like some worldwide choices.
  6. Any solutions on methods to cope with the uncomfortableness of the privilege of “stealth wealth” we’re at present experiencing? 

Liz Frugalwoods’ Suggestions

Pre-Covid journey to NYC

Peter and Kim are in improbable monetary form and I commend them for the way fastidiously they’ve mapped out their future. I believe a lot of what they’re in search of at present is affirmation of their math and a double-check on their plans.

In some ways, I don’t have a complete lot to inform Peter and Kim as a result of they’ve already accomplished a lot of the monetary steps I counsel. They’ve clearly spent plenty of time researching and studying methods to handle their cash and are on an amazing path!

Peter and Kim have already:

  1. Paid off their scholar loans and stayed out of debt.
  2. Saved up a strong emergency fund. 
  3. Invested for retirement.
  4. Began a taxable funding account to develop their wealth over the approaching many years.
  5. Opened a Donor Suggested Fund to plan for future philanthropy.
  6. Accelerated funds on their mortgage so as to have a paid-off dwelling.
  7. Stored their bills low by driving older vehicles, shopping for a house they will afford, embracing frugality, and focusing their spending on their highest and greatest priorities.
  8. Executed a sensible bank card technique to reinforce their credit score and earn cash-back rewards.

Doing these 8 steps places Peter and Kim within the “superior” echelon of monetary administration and I hope their story serves as an inspiration and information to others. Do what Peter and Kim are doing :)!

Okay, okay, I’ll really dive into their questions…

Peter’s Query #1: Is Coast FIRE one thing we will do?

It is a query greatest answered by a calculator! We’re going to make use of certainly one of my all-time favorites from Participating Knowledge, the aptly named “FIRE Calculator: When can I retire early?” calculator, a must-do for anybody contemplating any type of FIRE.

For Peter and Kim, I enter the next variables:

  • Investments: $528,854 (that is the sum of their retirement accounts + taxable investments. This excludes their money, Donor Suggested Fund, HSA, 529 and pensions)
  • Retirement age: 36 (Peter is 36)
  • Goal withdrawal price: 4% (that is the % they’d withdraw from these accounts after age 60)
  • Asset allocation: 70% shares/30% bonds (that is what Peter famous he’ll do)
  • Spending per 12 months: $0 (they won’t be touching this cash till age 60, so their spending from these accounts ought to be $0)
  • Revenue: $0 (underneath the rules of Coast FIRE, they wouldn’t be contributing any extra cash to those accounts)

What this simulates is the situation of Coast FIRE whereby Peter and Kim cease contributing to their retirement accounts at present, however proceed to cowl their bills (by incomes an earnings) till the age of 60. At age 60, they cease working to cowl their bills and start drawing 4% from their retirement (and taxable funding) accounts so as to cowl their bills.

Right here’s the consequence:


This reveals that Peter & Kim wouldn’t attain their FIRE quantity till age 66. Nonetheless, what I really like about this calculator is that all the variables are adjustable. Peter and Kim ought to spend some high quality time with this calculator inputting totally different variables to see the place they’ll find yourself. On the finish of the day, that is all conjecture and simulation, but it surely supplies a really helpful foundation for them to function from.

I encourage them to guage a few of their assumptions:

  1. Asset allocation: is 70% shares/30% bonds acceptable for his or her time horizon? 70/30 is fairly conservative they usually’d see a shift in the event that they had been extra closely weighted towards shares. Nonetheless, this can be a query of their private threat tolerance (since shares are greater threat/greater reward) and there’s nobody proper reply.
  2. Common inventory returns: how dedicated are they to the 5% return projection? 5% returns may be very conservative and once more, they’d see a serious shift in the event that they went with the next return %.
  3. Financial savings: how dedicated are they to being 100% Coast FIRE proper now? Would they be keen to scale back their bills by a bit so as to funnel a bit more cash into retirement financial savings yearly?

Peter and Kim ought to attempt plugging in numerous financial savings charges, totally different asset allocations, and many others and see the place they land.

It’s additionally essential to notice that this calculation doesn’t embody their pensions OR social safety. The numbers look far more favorable once you do embody these two variables.

Peter’s Query #2: Are my assumptions too conservative or too aggressive? (e.g. anticipated actual return of 5% with low price index funds):

Chatting FIRE by the hearth

As I famous above, Peter’s assumptions usually lean conservative, however that’s not essentially a foul factor. Conservative vs. aggressive is all about your individual threat tolerance and what you’re feeling comfy with. Moreover, Peter famous they’re not planning on Social Safety being there for them, however I actually suppose that’s extra of an existential query.

If Social Safety within the US fails, all of us have WAY larger issues and may’ve been stockpiling ammunition and antibiotics in our bunkers.

I utterly agree with Peter’s “belt and suspenders” strategy to investing and saving, however at a sure level, all of us have to do not forget that the solar might explode tomorrow and every part can be moot. In different phrases, typically now we have to proceed with the very best and more than likely situation (that Social Safety will likely be nice) versus all-out apocalypse. In case you choose all-out apocalypse, start researching bunker availability now.

Peter’s Query #3: What’s the very best technique for our mortgage?

In my view, if you wish to repay your mortgage early, the very best technique is commonly to do it in a single fell swoop. This entails using a model of greenback price averaging whereby you make investments all the cash you WOULD use to pay it off early after which, upon getting the entire quantity wanted to repay your mortgage in its entirety, liquidate shares and pay it off unexpectedly. The rationale behind this strategy is two-fold:

  1. It offers you extra liquidity and suppleness within the brief time period (as a result of your cash isn’t tied up in your mortgage; it’s technically extra accessible in a taxable funding account)
  2. It may be higher mathematically from a chance price perspective since you’re not dropping out on the potential features within the inventory market whereas placing the cash right into a lower-return automobile (your mortgage).

There’s, in fact, additionally hazard concerned on this strategy–as there’s with each single sort of funding:

  • The market might enter a downturn and you might quickly “lose” your mortgage pre-payment cash. If that occurred, you’d have to attend till the market rebounded earlier than you had been in a position to liquidate and pay it off.

All that being mentioned, there’s nothing “fallacious” with Peter & Kim’s present technique of paying it off little by little every month. That is simply one other methodology for them to think about. 

Peter’s Query #4: What to do about medical health insurance?

I believe this is perhaps extra a query of “what to do about our jobs?” as a result of by way of medical health insurance, I believe the choices are fairly easy:

  1. Proceed paying for employer-sponsored medical health insurance whilst you’re working.
  2. Analysis the ACA in your state when/if you happen to not qualify for employer-sponsored medical health insurance (listed here are the small print on how I signed my household up for the ACA earlier this 12 months. TLDR: the ACA varies WILDLY by state and by your particular person/household circumstances, so the true reply is that it’s important to do your individual analysis).

Peter & Kim’s Jobs:

Peter & Kim on a nationwide park journey

I’m questioning if Peter and Kim have thought-about taking nursing jobs in a unique, non-acute context? Actually their present jobs are prone to command the best RN salaries, however they’re reaching the purpose the place this work is not tenable from a psychological well being/life steadiness perspective.

This leads me to ask in the event that they’ve appeared into:

  • College nursing? Not nice pay; however, identical hours/holidays because the kiddo.
  • Main care workplace nursing? I’m positive it’s known as one thing totally different, however you realize what I imply… 
  • Different forms of much less traumatic nursing? Clearly I’m not a nurse and have restricted data right here, however I do know tons of Frugalwoods readers are nurses and can be capable of provide wonderful concepts!

I do know Peter and Kim are primarily contemplating per diem work on the hospital, however I ponder if that wouldn’t nonetheless be very traumatic because it lacks predictability and nonetheless entails nursing within the acute care context?

The job market is on hearth proper now, so in the event that they’re , I’ve to think about Peter and Kim would be capable of discover nursing positions in a lower-stress capability. A profession shift for much less stress and fewer cash isn’t going to tank their long-term monetary targets and would possibly dramatically improve their high quality of life.

Peter’s Query #5: Any ideas on how to consider medium-term life targets?

In plenty of methods, the reply right here is: too many variables and too far sooner or later to supply concrete recommendation. I believe Peter and Kim are good to suppose long-term, however I additionally suppose it’s okay to simply accept that none of us can know our future. I believe researching attainable future volunteer alternatives is nice, as is contemplating the place they could stay down the highway. However, I personally wouldn’t get too snarled in making an attempt to map out 20 years sooner or later as a result of Peter and Kim are already doing the 2 BEST issues attainable for his or her future:

  1. They’re saving and investing their cash.
  2. They’re clear on their priorities and are placing their most prized sources (money and time) in direction of these priorities.

Past that? There’s not a complete lot we will management. Since Peter talked about each his dad and mom and in-laws, I counsel he and Kim learn the e-book, Mother and Dad, We Have to Speak: The way to Have Important Conversations with Your Dad and mom About Their Funds by Cameron Huddleston (affiliate hyperlink) after which have frank conversations with their dad and mom. Step one right here will likely be to know what their dad and mom envision for their very own future.

Peter’s Query #6: Any solutions on methods to cope with the uncomfortableness of the privilege of “stealth wealth” we’re at present experiencing? 

I personally think about this query inside the context of two totally different classes of individuals:

  1. These for whom it isn’t their enterprise/they don’t care and I merely don’t carry up cash.
  2. These to whom I’m very shut and I thoughtfully broach the subject as a result of it could be very bizarre in the event that they didn’t know my monetary state of affairs.

Pre-Covid journey to Canyonlands – Druid Arch

The primary class consists of acquaintances, neighbors, individuals I volunteer with, not-super-close mates, prolonged household, and many others. I’m massive on “don’t ask, don’t inform” within the context of non-public finance. I don’t go round speaking about cash and, I discover it doesn’t come up within the regular course of acquaintance/neighbor chit-chat conversations. It simply doesn’t.

The second class are my shut mates, rapid relations and colleagues. I don’t, like, electronic mail them my internet price breakdown from Private Capital (that will be bizarre), however I’m trustworthy about our FIRE journey as a result of it could forestall intimacy if I wasn’t (affiliate hyperlink). It could be powerful for me to have shut mates who didn’t learn about this facet of my life; simply as it could be powerful to have shut mates who didn’t know different private particulars about me.

I too went by a panic of “WHAT IF PEOPLE FIND OUT?????” on the outset of our FIRE journey again in 2014, however over the previous 8 years I’ve discovered the basic, life-long fact that:

No person cares what you’re doing together with your life.

They REALLY don’t. I used to be strolling round again in 2014 considering everybody needed to be up in my monetary enterprise and, seems? They don’t. My shut mates? These bitches care as a result of they’re invested in me as an individual. However everybody else? Nope. It’s TMI. 

All that to say, Peter and Kim, you might be accountable for what you share with different individuals. I counsel you:

  1. Give you a set of solutions you’re feeling comfy telling different individuals IF THEY ASK YOU DIRECTLY, which I can nearly assure they won’t as a result of individuals would fairly ask you the place you purchase your underwear than about your funds.
  2. Resolve how/when/if you wish to talk this to your loved ones. It actually might not be related to them and will solely engender resentment/jealousy to carry it up within the first place. Once more, are they asking? Or are you simply feeling compelled to share?
  3. Decide how/when/if to broach the subject together with your shut mates WHEN/IF it feels such as you’re stopping a deeper relationship by NOT sharing this data. Make sense?

You don’t “owe” anybody a proof about your cash or your life. It’s your life, it’s your cash, you’re adults, you do you. As Littlewoods says anytime anybody tries to assist her with something:

Fear about your individual self.

Different Notes

Donor Suggested Fund:

The opposite strategy to responsibly tackle privilege and wealth is to acknowledge it to your self and to donate cash. Peter and Kim have already got a Donor Suggested Fund for this function, which is identical strategy I exploit for my philanthropy. I’ve two articles detailing methods to use a DAF to make sure efficient, lifelong philanthropy:

Pre-Covid journey to Neuschwanstein Fort

Kim’s 529:

Kim ought to have a dialog together with her dad and mom about this account. It should probably take advantage of sense for them to switch it over to Rachel’s title, which is one thing they’ll wish to iron out nicely earlier than Rachel reaches faculty age. That is a kind of issues that’s most likely simpler to do sooner fairly than later.

Cell Telephone Invoice:

Peter and Kim ought to be capable of lower their $43 cellular phone invoice in half by placing Kim onto an MVNO (Peter famous she’s nonetheless on Verizon). I pay $28 a month for my each husband and myself. Not an enormous deal, however it’s a tremendous simple approach for them to save lots of more cash each month.


  1. Spend time with the “When can I retire” calculator and check a few of their assumptions, notably round asset allocation, price of return and financial savings price.
  2. Discover/think about discovering nursing jobs in much less traumatic contexts and transferring away from acute hospital care.
  3. Take into account altering the mortgage payoff strategy per the above dialog.
  4. Have conversations with dad and mom about long-term planning, in addition to the particular notice of Kim’s 529.
  5. Brainstorm responses to “are you wealthy” questions from colleague/acquaintances and a timeline for when/in the event that they want/wish to share their monetary plans with shut family and friends. 
  6. Really feel assured that they’ve mapped out a beautiful future and that the unknown unknowns are okay and that none of us can plan for each eventuality. 

Okay Frugalwoods nation, what recommendation do you’ve got for Peter? We’ll each reply to feedback, so please be at liberty to ask questions!

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